May52008
Filed under: Technology
Author: tony
I love being on the bleeding edge of technology. With that in mind, I volunteered to be one of the first NewSpring staffers to make the shift from using Microsoft Outlook to Google solutions. I’ve been using Google for several years to manage home email and calendars. I’ve been using Microsoft Outlook, though, for I think about 15 years to manage work email, calendar, contacts and tasks.
Today’s a brand new day. Here’s what the current set up looks like:
- We transitioned email to Gmail yesterday.
- After that switch took place, I imported my Outlook contacts into Gmail.
- I imported my Outlook calendar into Google Calendar. The huge advantage with that is that I no longer have to manually sync my Outlook Calendar to a Google Calendar for my wife to have access to my schedule. Love that!
- For task management, I’ve elected to use Remember the Milk. There’s a Firefox plug-in that allows RTM to integrate with Gmail. That makes it easy to convert email messages into new tasks.
- I’ve also started using Jott to add tasks to RTM when I’m on the road. Jott converts voice into text and automatically adds new tasks to my list. Very slick.
- The only missing piece to the puzzle is a solution the IT team (that’s Jared) needs to implement to allow me to access my email and calendar from my phone. That’s coming later this week.
And, yes, if you’re keeping track at home, this entire package can be yours for next to free. That’s one of the nice indirect benefits of moving in this direction. That means more dollars for front line ministries in the long run.
Here are some of the other immediate benefits I’ve noticed:
- Web Outlook has always been a stinky solution in my mind for when I’m away from the office network. Now everything is easily accessible when I’m away from the office through Google’s web-based solutions.
- Gmail rocks. I love the way it groups messages by conversations. I also like being able to tag conversations by projects.
- Google Chat is built right in which will be important as my team goes multi-site.
- We’re going to be able to take advantage of Google Sites to be our internal portal for sharing and exchanging documents and communications across multiple campuses.
- Google search is far superior to anything Microsoft has ever developed for it’s software solutions. The days of hunting for messages in my "deleted" and "sent" folders is behind me. Yippee!
No transition like this is without pain. I’m sure I’m going to experience something that’s going to be somewhat of a setback. But, honestly, so far the transition has been very positive. I’m loving the new set up.
Now, the only question in my mind is whether or not I should test-drive Google Docs and ditch Microsoft Office. It may be time…
Steven Wales
May 5th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I’m a church planter and we are starting off from the beginning with Google’s suite of applications. They rock. I’ve been using gmail for a little over 2 years and I’ve used Google Docs to write messages and Google Spreadsheets to track church statistics for almost a year. With the exception of a few little things, I don’t miss MS Office at all.
Dave
May 5th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
I did this about 6 months ago and no looking back!
It’s fantastic since I can manage home and office from either the home…. OR the office (ironically enough)
Doug Rutter
May 5th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
I use Google apps for almost all my work. Our office is a Windows shop, but I “needed” a Mac so I use G-apps alot. I use G-docs for some basic, internal word processing, but you won’t want to use it for anything “customer-facing” It just doesn’t have the “finished” look that a desktop solution provides. But I love working on a doc with my team and having it be instantly updated and available to everyone. It make online collaboration very easy…
Good luck with the site overhaul and migration…we’re all watching!
Kelly Gubser
May 5th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
That’s awesome, Tony. What kind of phone are you using?
I attempted to do this for our church this winter. We all have church-issued Treo phones running Windows Mobile. There were a few things at that time that made it a no-go for us:
There is not a way to sync contacts to the phone. It is all in gmail’s email app. So, you would have a separate chunk of contacts on your phone (for phone numbers, texting, mobile email) from your gmail account. You could add contacts to the phone, but they would not update in Gmail and vice versa.
That was probably the biggie. If your team has a solution, I would love to know about it as getting out of the exchange server business would be great for us, too.
It seems like syncing the calendar was going to be sketchy as well.
Becky
May 5th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I use gmail and Microsoft too. I think Microsoft Word and Excel are better than Google docs and spreadsheets. Though if you’re wanting to keep everything together and share online then google may work better.
Just my opinion.
Jonathan
May 5th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Yep. I’m pretty much lost when you publish this ‘type’ of post.
Brian Baute
May 5th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
You’ll love the switch. I’ve been using the full suite of Google Apps personally since their release while still using Outlook (or mostly Entourage for Mac) for my work accounts. My thoughts:
- Gmail is the best mail client I’ve ever used. It’s much better than the Outlook or Entourage clients and light years ahead of Outlook Web Access.
- I abandoned my Outlook calendar for Google Calendar almost two years ago, and I’m very pleased.
- I’m a big Remember the Milk fan as well, and use the Firefox plugin for Gmail. I’m not thrilled with how the plugin handles context assignment so I normally go to RTM to enter tasks (unless I’m making an email a task), but I love having the quick view of my upcoming tasks in Gmail.
- I haven’t used Google Chat much, but that’s mostly because most of my colleagues haven’t switched yet and still use AIM. You’ll have lots of Google Chat momentum at NewSpring which will be great for its momentum.
- gMail search is amazing. I imported my old @gmail.com messages to my Google Apps account and I can search back to 2004 in no time.
- I’m a huge fan of Google Docs and Google Notebook, but gDocs isn’t an Office replacement in my opinion. Great for simple documents, great for collaboration, but there’s too much missing (hotkeys, shortcuts, menus, formatting features, etc.) for it to be a true replacment. I don’t doubt that in 5 or 10 years we’ll be doing all our word processing in a browser window, but I don’t think we’re quite there yet.
- All these apps have great mobile versions as well. I use a Motorola Q and access gMail, gCal, and RTM (& Twitter) several times daily and they have great usability.
Bob
May 5th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Has the entire organization switched - or just you? How do you handle it when others are still on Outlook(exchange server) and they need to integrate with your email and especially calendar (send apppointments etc.)
I too love the Gapps - but the rest of our company uses Outlook. i would love to find a way to leave outlook behind - but nobody else would know because they are still on outlook.
Chris S.
May 5th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I have had my church on the “google suite” since the beginning of the year and it is great!
FYI- definitely go with google docs, you now have the ability to work on google docs offline or online and keep everything synced automatically.
MIKE PRICE
May 5th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
sounds like a workshop idea …
ken
May 5th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
My iPhone email access has been vindicated.
Jarrod Martin
May 5th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Jott is the best free app I’ve found in a while. You should be able to use Jott with Twitter and directly to your Google Calendar. I’ve never used RTM, but I don’t see the advantage over Google Cal.
Corbett
May 5th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
I’m not sure if everyone has this problem, but Google Spreadsheet just takes too long. There is always a delay before an action takes place. Not bad for a quickie run of numbers, but for larger files with more formatting (formatting is a little weak in G-docs) it get’s a little annoying.
I often create in Excel and then upload to Google.
Louie Marsh
May 6th, 2008 at 12:21 am
I’ve seen other people talk about this, and personally I love G-Mail.
But how can you do everything from a web based program? Aren’t you every disconnected from the Net? How about on a mission trip, how do you write etc. then?
If Google had a program you could download and use with not connected and then upload the stuff or something, I’d be a lot more inclined to give it all a try.
For now though it just doesn’t seem real practical to me.
J. R. Miller
May 6th, 2008 at 1:19 am
I made this switch about a month ago and it is amazingly cool. We are a church plant and have no offices, so this enables our team to stay connected from all over the place.
Google is coming out with their own phone this fall and it will integrate all the Google tools. It should look a look like the iPhone, but Google optimized and MS free.
If we had the resources, I would get the Google phones for our leaders. It may be an option for your team.
Rick
May 6th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Love GDocs, especially the new forms feature, but formatting in the word processor is really bad. Tables laid out the way you want them? Forget it. Think of using GDocs to start out with, then transfer to Word (or, better yet, OpenOffice.org) to get your layouts the way you want them.
Phil Thompson
May 6th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Keep us posted on the phone link. I have converted most of my stuff over to google too.
Rick E.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Signed up for “Jott” today. This service is way too cool.
Heath Mullikin
May 6th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Just curious is you were using the new Windows Mail and Calendar or just Outlook? Do you know if they are compatible with the google stuff? I’m switching churches so I need to transfer all my email and calendar info off the church laptop. Thanks for the update!
Jason Christ
May 6th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
If you’re using Firefox, a great addition to Gmail (hosted or standard) is GTDinbox, found at http://gtdinbox.com/. It’s an extension that integrates some of the Getting Things Done methodology to your gmail account. I use it for tagging all my email now and can’t live without it.
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Cody Thomas
May 8th, 2008 at 2:13 am
Can someone help me with this: I use iCal on my Mac. Has anyone used both iCal and Google Calendars and made a decision of which one is better? If so, let me know the conclusion you came to. Email me at codylthomas@gmail.com
Enrique
May 8th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
There are pros and cons to the online apps migration solution.
I’m a fan of Google’s services, but also recommend a backup plan in case the Internet is lost. A few years ago, our IT dept. was to implement the online switch over, but realized that we also needed an offline solution just in case the Internet connection was lost. We agreed to use a hybrid of existing word processing apps and online solutions. Ideally, it would have been nice to use all online apps, but as with technology, services at times can be intermittent without any warning of downtime, so we planned accordingly.
Suggestions would be to have local copies of files on your local machine in the event that the Internet connection is lost. If you are going to use Gmail, use IMAP to have synchronized copies of your email. You can set this up on supported mobile devices. My IMAP works great on the IPhone. This would be similar to Exchange, but IMAP free with Google. The odds of losing Internet now are slim, but at times depend on the ISP and/or internal network gear (switches, hubs, etc). “We’ll be there between the hours of 8am and 8pm” – ever get that? I’ve experienced those famous lines with ISPs when dealing with firms not using T1 lines or greater. To my point, online solutions are great, but to be safe have alternatives and backups - just in case. You never know when an important email needs to get out so always plan accordingly.
Openoffice.org has great free resources as alternatives for paid and licensed software. Applications are installed locally on your machine and work like any other word processing app.
Yousendit.com offers file transfers up to 1GB for free.
Although you probably don’t remember our gang, but we had the opportunity to meet you at Catalyst 07. You guys are the real deal! Keep up the great work.
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Tim
May 10th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Interesting, but what does Google do with the data stored, collected throuht these services.
As an IT professional, I recently read an internet/email security magazine where it compared the security of several search engines and the collection of services they provide. Google rated at the very TOP for the largest security threat!
They state that Google sells their search database, and potentially their cookie records, to the highest bidder. What does this mean for you? This means that Google collects everything you search for, look for, and with Google desktop, can see everything in your computer - cookies, files, etc.
Sure, Google Desktop has a waiver saying they won’t sell personal information, but what stops them from gathering information and selling everything but the personal stuff.
Personally, once I read this article and began to grasp the severity of this article, I switched to one of the best… Yahoo. Yahoo remains my choice for searching, etc.
As for email, Outlook can do everything stated in this article! Email to tasks, converting voice to email (with the correct VoIP solution), allowing others to see your calendar (without syncing), etc.
Strangely, in the middle of the article, he states that Outlook web is a stinky solution. So, he decided to go from one web solution to another web solution - this doesn’t make sense to me. And to make it even worse, he went from one program that can do all of this, to THREE! Personally, it sounds more cumbersome to me.
I’ll stick with my Outlook (not Outlook Express). As for me an my business, Google is too untrustworthy — besides, I don’t like the idea of having to go to the web for EVERYTHING.
Daniel
May 12th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
I’ve been using a nice combination of both for quite a while now. We use Google Apps for email and such, but I IMAP it into Outlook.
I also found a great free app that syncs my Google and Outlook calendars… really cool since I keep track of 4 Google calendars.
And Outlook still makes it really easy to sync to my Treo 700w.
Tony Steward
May 14th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Hey Tony,
This is a new greasemonkey script for gmail that is pretty killer:
http://lifehacker.com/390490/gmail-addons-embeds-any-webapp-in-gmail
Phillip Coppedge
June 4th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I implemented Microsoft Exchagne Server 2007 at our church in March of 07. I have configured Outlook Anywhere on the Exchagne server side; this allows all of our Outlook 2007 and Microsoft Entourage (Outlook for the Mac) users to be able to securly (via SSL) access the Exchagne server from anywhere they have Internet access without the need for VPN connecitons. Even when users can’t access an Internet connection, both Outlook and Entourage allow for offline use. Everything done offline will sync up once a conneciton to Exchange is established. I’m not sure which version of Outlook Web Access that you felt was “stinky”; however MS has done a fantastic job with OWA in Exchange 2007. We also use Exchange ActiveSync to support Windows Mobile devices with great success. One awesome feature with ActiveSync on Exchange 2007 is that end users have the ability to wipe all the info from thier phones in the event their phone is lost or stolen. Resource scheduling (rooms, projectors, etc.) for 4 campus locations has been invaluable to us. We no longer have band members showing up to practice at a campus that’s holding a Dave Ramsey class.
Collin
June 5th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
I would agree with Phillip on the use of Exchange. I have a windows mobile device phone and it is my Outlook; Calendar, tasks, email. Its my inbox, completely integrated. The other issue for me is from an organizational perspective. I don’t want my IT department spending time training users on different solutions, integrating different solutions, keeping up upgrades on those solutions and working from a help desk perspective all the different things that could go wrong when disparate solutions integrated together go wrong. I love integration. I found the google search to be a resource hog on many of our laptops and the newer MS version of desktop search works much better.
I also want all of our staff to have a common domain name in their emails that is our churches identity. Gmail.com does not represent us as a church.
MS products for us are really inexpensive because we are a 501(c)3. We get their product at dirt cheap prices. The only thing they have come out with lately that I would not use is Vista. We will stay with XP as an client OS.
A well implemented exchange/outlook solution is awesome. We use Cisco’s IP telephony solution that integrates with Exchange and all my voicemails are emails.
Love your blog. Keep up the good work.
Thanks.