Get Your Strategy On
Here’s the continuation of my post from yesterday. These are the additional thoughts I shared with Lindy, the editor of Outreach Magazine:
Ideally, there should be a healthy tension between trying to reach new people and then helping people take steps in their faith. But, I would make the case that the healthiest churches tend to lean more towards outreach than helping people go deeper. And, with that, I think it’s a dangerous path to focus on “closing the back door.” Look at the Great Commission. We’re called to go. Make disciples. Baptize them. All of that is focused on reaching people who aren’t believers. Then we’re supposed to teach the new disciples. Then those new disciples are supposed to go, make disciples and baptize them.
The problem is that most churches are focused on that last part–teaching the disciples. They do that for some new disciples, but they’re primarily focusing on teaching the old disciples. Those churches rarely experience the “go, make disciples and baptize them” part of the Great Commission.
Yes, I’m both about outreach and discipleship. But, when push comes to shove, I will always lean towards outreach because I see so few churches (or people) that are bearing any fruit when it comes to making disciples and baptizing them.
The church in America is in decline. I know you’ll get other opinions on this, but I believe that’s an outreach problem. That’s not a “closing the back door” problem. If a Christian decides they need to go to another church to grow spiritually, that saddens me. If my friend down the street dies without becoming a Christ-follower, that will grieve me.
Maybe it’s just semantics. I’m afraid, though, that this is one of the core issues leading to the decline of the American church. And, if “closing the back door” is the #1 challenge that your readers perceive they’re facing, I think that explains part of the reason why the church is America is failing.
We’re trying to fix the wrong problem.
Tony Morgan is a pastor and the Chief Strategic Officer at NewSpring Church where he develops creative solutions for communications, technology and NewSpring Ministries--the church's ministry that equips other church leaders.
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bob c
June 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am
great stuff, tony
i want to pick up a bit where you left off
i love a quote from einstein:
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them.
this model we’ve created - like a black box, with inputs & outputs - front door & back doors - lost & saved - us & them.
it has so little to do with the story we follow & the people who came before us. the irony is that this model has so little to do with the people who we live with
Bob Hicks
June 12th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Tony,
You are right on with this… we are trying to fix the wrong problem… If we focus on trying to keep the convinced… convinced… where did Jesus teach on that subject?
Your conversation brought up another focus issue… that may be another reason why churches in America are declining… if we’re busy with the back door… has the church lost it’s significance with the unconvinced? Lost it’s influence? If we’re teaching that God is all-powerful, can meet needs, change lives, etc. wouldn’t it make sense then that His church would be just as effective? Just a thought!
Thanks for all you guys are doing at Newspring and beyond!
Bob
John Ireland
June 12th, 2008 at 10:36 am
well put, tony!
though we don’t have it all figured out at qcc (www.questcommunity.com) i always am encouraged when i think of one key number - ~3,500 new Christ followers in nine years.
you are so right about the tension between reaching non-believers and believers. as a wesleyan at heart, i firmly believe that Christ calls all who know Him to holiness.
the struggle continues…
Tim Briggs
June 12th, 2008 at 10:43 am
I think it would be interesting for you to post how you and your church define ‘disciple.’ Could you do that? I think that would help me understand this discussion more because while this discussion has been propositioned as “closing the back door,” I think maybe at the core it’s a discussion of what a disciple is.
I’m also curious to know if you have any stats or percentages of New Believers that get connected to NewSpring (assuming that’s how you measure if new believers are being discipled). If that’s not the way you measure that, how do you?
My fear for your church, and churches like it, is that there are a large percentage of new believers leaving out the back door because they failed to get connected and discipled. Now, I understand they could go to another church and find discipleship but wouldn’t a church that helps evangelize someone also want to help disciple them? I understand your church’s desire to err on the side of outreach in the outreach vs. discipleship battle but the Great Commission calls us to make disciples, not just Christians. I think there is a distinction.
Like I said, I don’t know if there is a large percentage of new believers that are leaving your church but that is my fear.
Jill
June 12th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Hybels and his team uncovered this same tension in the Reveal stuff. Somehow churches have become codependent or began raising codependent believers: I cannot grow/do more in my faith w/o the church. So, a consumer mentality developed…”which church will feed me more effectively?”, etc. When, instead, as Tony has said and I believe, our whole purpose as a church is to be Christ’s hands and feet so that people far from God can know Him. In my view, the church should be the soil…where faith can take root and grow in people inspiring them to their potential. The church (in many cases) has become an elaborate green house…temperature, humidity, sunlight, fertilizer, stakes, covers, misters, all carefully controlled to keep plants from dying (going out the back door). Soil is where it’s at.
Sam
June 12th, 2008 at 10:56 am
The great commission found in Matthew 28 states:
“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations,baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.”
You are correct, it says “GO”. We as, the redeemed, are to go out into the world and share the gospel and then we are commanded to teach them all that Jesus commanded his disciples to observe. I would agree with you that by and large the church has fallen down on its responsibility to evangelize. Part of them blame lies in the church not teaching their members that it is their responsibility to go out and evangelize. The church has told its members just to invite their unsaved friends to church. This has had the effect of church members believing it is the churches sole job to share Jesus with people and if they just invite people to church then they think that they are evangelizing when all they are doing is inviting people to church.
Second thing part of “GO” is that the church gathering together for worship was not intended to be an evangelism tool. The church as laid out was for the equipping and edifying of the saints that then they GO out and spread the Gospel. When the church fails the second part of the great commission to teach people then it cripples evangelism because the church members are not equipped to effectively share the gospel.
Lastly, the primary focus of the corporate church is not solely to reach the lost. The primary function of the church is to bring glory to God.
Greg Dixon
June 12th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Balance, balance, balance.
It is always easy to fall on one side or the other of this discussion. Should we evangelise? YES Should we disciple? YES Should it be 50/50? or 60/40? Who knows? Our calling is to be both, do both, all to the glory of God. How can we choose either as our primary focus?
As a “NewSpringer” I have found that yes we could balance these better. But, to Tony’s point, If we err, we err on the side of saving the lost and not growing the saved. I trust that over time, we can balance this more carefully. But, until then, I believe that God is still pleased with our efforts and will continue to bless.
Greg
Milan Ford
June 12th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Great post Tony.
The (saddens me) vs. (grieves me) correlation captures the very sentiment I hope we all have regarding outreach.
Steve in Rhode Island
June 12th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Why do we have to focus on either or? Can’t be “experts” in both getting and growing? Is the task of outreach the role of church leadership or the role of the disciples we’re supposed to be making? Are the people supposed to go or is our “temple” supposed to go?
Are we equipping God’s people to do the work of God or are we enabling them to keep their seats warm? That question is not a critique, but a legitimate question Tony. I know how big blogs like your’s works - you get waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many questions to answer (not counting your Twitter and just plain old email) - so if you answer that question it would be great.
Mike Batley
June 12th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Wait a second, as a former staff member with Campus Crusade (11 years) where it was expected that we share our faith personally with someone else about 250x a year we came to find out that those we “win” to Christ will only share their faith consistently, as a lifestyle, to the degree they are rooted and growing in Christ. They can not be separated.
In fact, we found that those who most share their faith as a lifestyle are those who’s lives are growing deeper in maturity and walk with Christ. Should that surprise us though? Real evangelism, lifestyle evangelism is a deeply mature action that involves sacrifice, intentionality and compassion. Actions and attitudes that only come from spiritual maturity. Actions that only come from real, biblical discipleship. They cannot and should not be separated.
You want people to actively share their faith? Have them fall in love more deeply with Christ! New converts have a zeal to tell others. Not unlike when you get a good deal on something at a store and you share that with a friend. But that zeal is not sustainable without discipleship. We experienced that hundreds of times with conversions: great takeoff, great zeal, no lasting walk. Initially sharing with anything that moves, but nothing long term and in many times a falling away. Really sad.
To say that a church is healthier with a primary outward focus gets it just as wrong as saying a church with a primary inward focus is wrong. The two work in synergy! Tandem!
The issue is “making disciples!” The “Going” of the Great Commission is a natural extension. We need to inculcate the fact that “going” is as natural to a maturing xtian life as bible study, small group, worship, etc. Not separate it.
Mike
Jason Cole
June 12th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Here at Lake Pointe, we use the analogy of an airplane’s wings when it comes to outreach vs discipleship. Would you want to be on a plane with just one wing or with one wing shorter than the other? While our weekend services are far more focused on reaching new people, we also have a clear and easy pathway that is laid out for people to get connected into smaller group situations. We take it very seriously and say that the big room is not designed for deep discipleship, our smaller gathering are your church family. These gatherings produce even smaller groups that build real community and accountability. Their focus on bible study and fellowship is the key.
Are we totally successful in this area, no. I do believe we have a solid plan that does work. Ultimately, people have to desire to be in community or none of this matters. You can create great situations but people still have to take advantage of them. Far to many just go on the weekends and that is all.
Craig Hamer
June 12th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Just a note, in the original text the great commission the word Go is in the continuous form, so it can be translated; as you go… There seems to be an assumption that we will go and the focus isn’t enough to be on going, but the only command is MAKE DISCIPLES. I would like to hear more about New Springs definition of a disciple. One defintion I have heard is a disciple is someone who makes other disciples, so if this is the case then it seems to be more than leading someone to pray a prayer and become a Christian.
chuck
June 12th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Acts 2 states:
42They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer…. etc
That sounds like a church with a closed back door that is significantly (though not exclusively) focussed on those inside it.
cont’d…47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
So even with a strong focus on the internals, it was impressive enough to people outside of it that they wanted a piece of it and joined in. People want love and accessible community. They don’t want to be a target. Accessibility is huge.
And keep this in mind… some people go through the back door to test Christianity, to see if these folks really do love them. I’ve run into a number of folks that have been wounded by the fact that they were allowed to exit so easily because to them it meant they were not valued. That doesn’t mean we pander to people who go through (or are threatening to go through) the back door. But we do need to be active in showing people inside that we care for and value them so that those inside will want to stay and those outside want a piece of what that church has got.
allen distefano
June 12th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
I couldn’t agree more. We’re(the Church) called to exist for people outside our walls. Discipleship, going deeper, maturity, whatever we want to call it is fully realized through Outreach. I’ve always thought the deeper church was the one that was adding disciples. Great post!
Phil Thompson
June 12th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Balance also comes to my mind, so is that impossible to do?
Five purposes of the church comes to mind also. Is that really realistic?
Chris Harrison
June 13th, 2008 at 2:06 am
Thanks for the thread, Tony. I have to affirm Bob C and Chuck. Some others may have said likewise, but I can’t see how we’re in an either/or situation, as though one were better than the other. I just don’t see that represented in Scripture. While The Great Commission (at least the first half) is a great moment in our Bible, it’s not the only moment.
I would also have to differ and say that most churches I see aren’t focused on discipleship, thereby closing the back door. They are doing what ever it takes to keep the doors open, which doesn’t disciple or convert.
Since the church is not an organization that does something, we have to grow in our relationships with Christ and each other, for starters, to find out how God has gifted the body through each individual.
Some are Apostles, some are prophets, some are evangelists, some are pastors and some are teachers (with extra emphasis on some). We have it all. To what extent are we encouraging those gifts? How are we as leaders equipping the gifted? How is ministry growing from the inside out?
When we begin to dialogue in that direction, I believe we’ll see dynamic shifts at both the front door and the back.
Jim
June 14th, 2008 at 7:38 am
Tony, you are correct. The only way to fix this is, and I know this rocks the foundation of every pastor’s belief, to have those people who are fed up with trying to bring balance in their own fat churchs, leave and cleave so to speak in a church that teaches the unchurchd that they matter to God. I have been there and done that, and quite frankly, once the “feed me, feed me” mentality seeps into your church, everything is askew. There is no room for change, whether it is the music, or the preaching. Another issue that hasn’t been focused on here is the “church board.” I realize it is a different issue, but alot of what your church is about is determined by these people. Look at the heart of the board, and you will see the heart of the church….generally speaking, not very good.
Ron Edmondson
June 17th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Tony, I think you are exactly on track here. I think the key as you said is a balanced approach. The focus should be on the “front door”; reaching those who are not currently connected to the Body of Christ. After we reach them, we need to disciple them. If they then leave to better grow elsewhere; God is still honored.
If we are doing a good job with outreach, however, then we should also keep an eye on the back door for those who aren’t yet connected and committed to the Body.
My experience tells me that churches tend to err on one side or the other. Some do a great job of attracting people to a gathering, but then they are never taken to the next step of discipleship and eventually the people leave; some to other churches, but some to never be seen again. Others don’t do much to grow the church numerically, but they “disciple” people for generations who never multiply themselves. (Which I guess is not really making them true “disciples” of Jesus either.)
Thanks for the reminder.