Comments on: The Starfish and the Spider http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/07/24/the-starfish-and-the-spider/ Trying to be strategic. Wed, 23 May 2012 19:05:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Church: Decentralized organizations | ProjectOKC :: Ideas on God, Life, Tech and Connections http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/07/24/the-starfish-and-the-spider/#comment-6186 Church: Decentralized organizations | ProjectOKC :: Ideas on God, Life, Tech and Connections Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:31:17 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=1730#comment-6186 [...] reading called “The Starfish and the Spider“. The book is a great read, take a look at the summary on his blog.  I’m actually more interested in you all jumping in on the comments, that is where the [...] [...] reading called “The Starfish and the Spider“. The book is a great read, take a look at the summary on his blog.  I’m actually more interested in you all jumping in on the comments, that is where the [...]

]]> By: JUST PUDGE » http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/07/24/the-starfish-and-the-spider/#comment-6185 JUST PUDGE » Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:54:38 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=1730#comment-6185 [...] one to tell you what the book is about! Tony finished the book and gave some great thoughts on it here! Check those out and if this books seems like it would interest you…get it and dig [...] [...] one to tell you what the book is about! Tony finished the book and gave some great thoughts on it here! Check those out and if this books seems like it would interest you…get it and dig [...]

]]> By: Jason Poeffel http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/07/24/the-starfish-and-the-spider/#comment-6184 Jason Poeffel Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:47:00 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=1730#comment-6184 Tony - A quick question that you might address. What sort of process do you go through after reading a new book to decide when, how or if you implement any new ideas that you have discovered? - jason Tony – A quick question that you might address. What sort of process do you go through after reading a new book to decide when, how or if you implement any new ideas that you have discovered? – jason

]]> By: Brad http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/07/24/the-starfish-and-the-spider/#comment-6183 Brad Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:07:40 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=1730#comment-6183 I think for that kind of movement to happen it would take creating a system that builds those kinds of believers (which sounds an awful lot like centralized organization). This is the tension I am working through as a pastor right now... how do we do church in a way that truly equips people to do what it is they've been called/gifted to do without building endless programs to sustain that for them? How do we make it organic and relational, and keep it moving? On the flipside... While I want to see that happen I also believe the whole reason God ordained church leadership is because people don't just naturally wind up where they are supposed to. If they did we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I have ideas from my personal experience with people on how to accomplish this, but the problem is reproducing that culture among a large group of people. It seems this type of organization/movement would start slowly but pay off in exponential growth. I'll let you know in a few years how it worked out. I think for that kind of movement to happen it would take creating a system that builds those kinds of believers (which sounds an awful lot like centralized organization). This is the tension I am working through as a pastor right now… how do we do church in a way that truly equips people to do what it is they’ve been called/gifted to do without building endless programs to sustain that for them? How do we make it organic and relational, and keep it moving?

On the flipside…

While I want to see that happen I also believe the whole reason God ordained church leadership is because people don’t just naturally wind up where they are supposed to. If they did we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

I have ideas from my personal experience with people on how to accomplish this, but the problem is reproducing that culture among a large group of people. It seems this type of organization/movement would start slowly but pay off in exponential growth.

I’ll let you know in a few years how it worked out.

]]> By: tony http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/07/24/the-starfish-and-the-spider/#comment-6182 tony Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:50:58 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=1730#comment-6182 hey, just for the record, i totally disagree with the thought that churches should be leaderless. that, my friends, isn't the biblical model. the question, though, is how should leadership shift in order to be a catalyst for a movement? carry on. tony hey, just for the record, i totally disagree with the thought that churches should be leaderless. that, my friends, isn’t the biblical model.

the question, though, is how should leadership shift in order to be a catalyst for a movement?

carry on.

tony

]]> By: Doug http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/07/24/the-starfish-and-the-spider/#comment-6181 Doug Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:29:26 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=1730#comment-6181 perhaps someone else already made this comment (I must confess, I'm much too impatient...): I thought the Church WAS supposed to be essentially a de-centralized organism (see Paul's comments re: the body) perhaps someone else already made this comment (I must confess, I’m much too impatient…):

I thought the Church WAS supposed to be essentially a de-centralized organism (see Paul’s comments re: the body)

]]> By: phill http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/07/24/the-starfish-and-the-spider/#comment-6180 phill Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:20:18 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=1730#comment-6180 one more thing... I have learned that the problem with any movement...is that at some point and time it becomes an organization...if it doesn't than it will not survive. However, when it morphs into an organzation the movement changes As a movement...it is fast...sleek...and crazy As an organization...it becomes a church one more thing…

I have learned that the problem with any movement…is that at some point and time it becomes an organization…if it doesn’t than it will not survive.

However, when it morphs into an organzation the movement changes

As a movement…it is fast…sleek…and crazy

As an organization…it becomes a church

]]> By: phill http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/07/24/the-starfish-and-the-spider/#comment-6179 phill Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:16:36 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=1730#comment-6179 I have been wrestling with this for several years...Bill Easum and Tom Bandy have been promoting it as well... But working this concept in the church is hard...it is hard at a leadership level...but even more so with multi-staff... I have tried on several occasions only to get so far.... I have decided the only way this will work in my mind is if the senior pastor behaves, hires, and manages this way. Just so you know...i am so stealing this blog post...giving you the credit of course...but it was really good. I have been wrestling with this for several years…Bill Easum and Tom Bandy have been promoting it as well…

But working this concept in the church is hard…it is hard at a leadership level…but even more so with multi-staff…

I have tried on several occasions only to get so far….

I have decided the only way this will work in my mind is if the senior pastor behaves, hires, and manages this way.

Just so you know…i am so stealing this blog post…giving you the credit of course…but it was really good.

]]> By: Jill http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/07/24/the-starfish-and-the-spider/#comment-6178 Jill Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:13:11 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=1730#comment-6178 yes, yes, this mode of thinking/being goes way deeper. I am in leadership in a church plant and--while we are doing well by all standards our sponsoring organizations use--we are for sure operating under a traditional structure model vs. a catalytic culture. So, it's not the "what" we are doing as a church...it is the how...big/deep ideas brewing...all very good. yes, yes, this mode of thinking/being goes way deeper. I am in leadership in a church plant and–while we are doing well by all standards our sponsoring organizations use–we are for sure operating under a traditional structure model vs. a catalytic culture. So, it’s not the “what” we are doing as a church…it is the how…big/deep ideas brewing…all very good.

]]> By: tony http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/07/24/the-starfish-and-the-spider/#comment-6177 tony Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:44:11 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=1730#comment-6177 ok, let me jump in real quick... i don't think this is just about church planting or multi-site. that may be part of it, but i think it goes beyond that. leadership is critical to this. but i think it's a different type of leadership. the books of acts is my favorite book in the Bible. i can't explain it, but God uses it to speak to me in ways that get my heart and mind racing. thanks for being a part of this conversation. tony ok, let me jump in real quick…

i don’t think this is just about church planting or multi-site. that may be part of it, but i think it goes beyond that.

leadership is critical to this. but i think it’s a different type of leadership.

the books of acts is my favorite book in the Bible. i can’t explain it, but God uses it to speak to me in ways that get my heart and mind racing.

thanks for being a part of this conversation.

tony

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