Get Your Strategy On
Emily has been reading several books on parenting teenagers. She’s not doing that because we’re having trouble parenting our teenager. She’s reading these books because we’re parenting our first of four teenagers and we’d like to get it right the first time. It’s led to some great conversations between Emily and me and with our teenage daughter.
Part of the coaching that has been consistent in each of these books is the recommendation to “seek advice from a friend, counselor or a pastor.” Being a pastor, let me just say that’s about the stupidest advice a book could provide. Good counsel doesn’t come with position. Good counsel comes with experience. And, frankly, I know very few pastors that have successfully raised teenagers.
If you need advice, first ask the question who has walked through this same situation and come out the other side in a healthy position? Personally, I try to find coaching/counsel that’s coming out of a person’s success rather than a title behind their name.
Also, this should be an encouragement to folks that are struggling with specific issues in their lives. I have friends who are dealing with parenting, weight, sleep, financial, career challenges, etc. There are days right now where you’re probably thinking, “I wish this problem would just go away.” The reality is that you are walking through an experience that will ultimately put you in a better position to help others take their next steps toward Christ.
By the way, this same advice applies to personal challenges and ministry challenges. Just because a church is bigger than yours or more well-known than yours doesn’t mean their leaders are the best folks to give counsel.
What’s your specific challenge? Who has successfully walked through that challenge? Talk to that person.
Tony Morgan is a pastor and the Chief Strategic Officer at NewSpring Church where he develops creative solutions for communications, technology and NewSpring Ministries--the church's ministry that equips other church leaders.
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Jill
August 16th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Tony-I’ve been following your blog for about four months. I know this post wasn’t “for me”, but God just used you to speak “to me”. So, whatever you are doing to prepare your heart each day, keep doing it. It just made a difference 2,000 miles away!
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Jessie Simon
August 16th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Tony,
I am a pastor. A mediocre pastor with a lot of talent. I haven’t come close to reaching my potential. I wonder if I ever will.
I am a father. A damn good one (see a good pastor would never say damn publicly). I did reach my potential as a dad. We just wrapped up the teenage years and did it well.
My girls are now 20 and 23. They love me, love Jesus, are incredibly cool, mongo leaders and phenominal humans.
You do much for the kingdom cause. If I could ever help you with my take on parenting teenagers, email me or call me and I would happily be an agenda-less sounding board.
Also my daughters are brilliant and would be happy to talk to you from a “being parented” perspective. They read your blog and would think it was very cool to bless you and your family.
blessings
simon
simon@ridgecommunitychurch.com
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Ariel Martinez
August 17th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Tony, I agree with you that going to another parent who has successfully raised a teenager is THE best way to go. However, (and perhaps this is because I’m a youth pastor) I wouldn’t totally discount going to pastors, counselors, etc for advice.
I’m not a parent and I am VERY hesitant to give parenting advice when I’m asked - but because I am a youth pastor and a student of youth culture, I have had parents look to me for insight into youht culture and to help them understand what’s going on around their youth and why they act the way they do.
So while successful parents are the best way to go, in my opinion that doesn’t mean parents should not seek insight into youth culture from professional students of youth culture, like pastors and counselors.
Just my thoughts - I respect your opinion and I’m enjoying your blog! =)
Jim
August 17th, 2008 at 6:59 am
This truly is some of the best advise you have ever given.
Amy Hesterman
August 17th, 2008 at 7:10 am
Just out of curiousity….what are the books that she is reading? I have just been newly “christened” as a mother of a teen. Always looking for helpful information.
Craig Hamer
August 17th, 2008 at 9:46 am
If I can just interject here something. Can you tell me why pastors would be bad people to ask advice from? If I look in the Bible at the qualities for a pastor, then they should be someone we all go to for advice, not just at the things they have great experience in, but it a lot of areas of life. I think this is more a defense of a church system that is based on putting people in seats instead of getting into their lives personally.
Its funny Tony, do you apply this same ideas to running your church? Do you not read any books that aren’t written by pastors or people in positions at churches? I mean, Seth Godin has never pastored or worked at church, but you seem to be a big fan and take advice that he gives and apply it to your church, even when its more intended for business purposes. Quick question, would you ask Perry for parenting advice?
tony
August 17th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Craig, no, in this instance I’d ask Paul for parenting advice because he’s already raised his teenagers. Perry has a toddler. He knows how to change diapers and use a Diaper Genie.
I’d ask Perry for biblical insight, leadership advice and restaurant recommendations (among other things), because he’s experienced and has wisdom in those areas.
I wouldn’t ask Seth Godin for parenting advice (I’m not even sure if he has kids), but he sure does know a lot about communicating a message that others need to hear.
Yes, I think pastors are sometimes a great source for good advice, but not all the time. Sometimes people outside the ministry have better advice.
It’s OK if we disagree though. You don’t have to take my advice…even though I’m a pastor.
tony
Emily Morgan
August 17th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Amy~
I have read the following:
Five Love Languages of Teenagers by Gary D. Chapman (2000)
Parenting Teens with Love and Logic: preparing adolescents for responsible adulthood by Foster W. Cline and Jim Fay (2006), companion to Parenting with Love and Logic, which we highly recommend for ALL parents
Boundaries with Teens by Dr. John Townsend (2006)
Enjoy!
Emily
tony
August 17th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
emily, just for the record…you’re the sexiest commenter i’ve ever had on this site.
i love you!
tony
Tina Harkey
August 17th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Now I think I’m going to hurl….
Denny
August 18th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Tony,
I agree that you want to speak with someone who has had success in raising a teenager. I agree that just because someone is a pastor does not qualify them to answer questions on everything. I would disagree a with general comment about most pastors failing as parents of teenagers. While I know many who have failed in this area, I know many who have done a great job in this area.
Usually enjoy the blog, keep it up.
Denny
Bryan McKnight
August 18th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Knowing who to ask….awww, the question of the ages. It’s hard. Your heart is such an encouragement to me and I appreciate your ministry. Any advice, given from the heart of someone’s passions and emotions, is always good. It may not be the best or ight thing for you, but it is never bad to glean from someone who has been, there, done that and feels it all up in here… I just posted a very heavy-hearted blog, I would love to have your opinion on.
http://bryansbunch.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/extreme-makeover-love-edition-part-1/
Bryan McKnight
August 18th, 2008 at 10:44 am
By the way, “She Calls Me Daddy” by Robert Wolgemuth is a must read for all dads with girls…Teens or not
Drew Cusumano
August 18th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
The issue of raising youth is often over looked and, not lead the way Christ did. Jesus used example to teach people in his own example also in the light of others. The best way grow quality is to give a diverse slate of examples so they can sense right and wrong in a diverse slate of people and, this will allow them to grow in their mentorships as well as in their faith.
http://americanmadesolutions.blogspot.com/
dewde
August 26th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Wow, that was really good advice. Sometimes it’s so easy to miss the obvious for the popular.
peace|dewde
http://dewde.com
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