Comments on: Is Dull Worship the Goal? http://tonymorganlive.com/2010/01/08/is-dull-worship-the-goal/ Trying to be strategic. Fri, 25 May 2012 12:22:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Zohn http://tonymorganlive.com/2010/01/08/is-dull-worship-the-goal/#comment-53142 Zohn Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:25:11 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=5016#comment-53142 I couldn't be happier that this was the first TOny Morgan Live Blog I read. I agree completely too! I couldn’t be happier that this was the first TOny Morgan Live Blog I read. I agree completely too!

]]> By: joey http://tonymorganlive.com/2010/01/08/is-dull-worship-the-goal/#comment-49921 joey Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:24:37 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=5016#comment-49921 "joey, actually, i highly recommend folks buy and read Skye’s book. i think we can learn a lot from people who think differently, don’t you?" Yes, Tony, so much so that I just ordered his book on Amazon. “joey, actually, i highly recommend folks buy and read Skye’s book. i think we can learn a lot from people who think differently, don’t you?”

Yes, Tony, so much so that I just ordered his book on Amazon.

]]> By: Malcolm http://tonymorganlive.com/2010/01/08/is-dull-worship-the-goal/#comment-49719 Malcolm Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:24:53 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=5016#comment-49719 I view the worship service of my church (pastoral staff), through the lens of how it impacts others. My personal preference for is Pentecostal / charismatic songs from the mid 70's to mid 80's. Why, they resonate within me. But I reserve those songs for private worship. My private preferences are irrelevant for public worship. I gladly worship any way that connects with people today. I refuse to condemn people to a Christless life and eternity due to selfishness. If the worship experience I attend doesn’t actually move people towards relationship with God then its selfish no matter how meaningful it is. I consider myself to be intelligent and thoughtful and have had many moving experiences intellectually and emotionally through traditional expressions of worship. But church isn't about me it's about drawing other people to Jesus. I view the worship service of my church (pastoral staff), through the lens of how it impacts others.

My personal preference for is Pentecostal / charismatic songs from the mid 70′s to mid 80′s.

Why, they resonate within me. But I reserve those songs for private worship. My private preferences are irrelevant for public worship. I gladly worship any way that connects with people today.

I refuse to condemn people to a Christless life and eternity due to selfishness. If the worship experience I attend doesn’t actually move people towards relationship with God then its selfish no matter how meaningful it is.

I consider myself to be intelligent and thoughtful and have had many moving experiences intellectually and emotionally through traditional expressions of worship. But church isn’t about me it’s about drawing other people to Jesus.

]]> By: Rich http://tonymorganlive.com/2010/01/08/is-dull-worship-the-goal/#comment-49688 Rich Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:23:16 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=5016#comment-49688 For some strange reason I ran across this blog AND this skye guy's blog... only after re-reading this blog again did I realize they were connected. I've never read either book, but I initially thought your post was a bit unfair and it seemed like a tit for tat argument... I just don't see why Skye would be arguing for a 'dull' worship service when, in the quote you provided, he expressed his concern for "Manufacturing experiences and meticulously controlling staged environments". And after reading Skyes explaination I find myself understanding his reasoning better than presented at this blog. but I do agree that this is an interesting conversation For some strange reason I ran across this blog AND this skye guy’s blog… only after re-reading this blog again did I realize they were connected.

I’ve never read either book, but I initially thought your post was a bit unfair and it seemed like a tit for tat argument…

I just don’t see why Skye would be arguing for a ‘dull’ worship service when, in the quote you provided, he expressed his concern for “Manufacturing experiences and meticulously controlling staged environments”. And after reading Skyes explaination I find myself understanding his reasoning better than presented at this blog.

but I do agree that this is an interesting conversation

]]> By: Sam Mahlstadt http://tonymorganlive.com/2010/01/08/is-dull-worship-the-goal/#comment-49664 Sam Mahlstadt Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:22:20 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=5016#comment-49664 Tony, I wonder about our attention and focus. It seems that all agree Sunday mornings aren't the end goal. However, I wonder how much of our time and energy is used in planning the Sunday morning compared to the other aspects of spiritual transformation? What does this say about how we value Sunday mornings vs. the other programs that foster growth? Tony,
I wonder about our attention and focus. It seems that all agree Sunday mornings aren’t the end goal. However, I wonder how much of our time and energy is used in planning the Sunday morning compared to the other aspects of spiritual transformation? What does this say about how we value Sunday mornings vs. the other programs that foster growth?

]]> By: Katie http://tonymorganlive.com/2010/01/08/is-dull-worship-the-goal/#comment-49662 Katie Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:19:52 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=5016#comment-49662 P.S. - Here is a post from Skye related to this http://www.skyejethani.com/what-should-worship-look-like/552/ P.S. – Here is a post from Skye related to this

http://www.skyejethani.com/what-should-worship-look-like/552/

]]> By: Katie http://tonymorganlive.com/2010/01/08/is-dull-worship-the-goal/#comment-49660 Katie Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:17:03 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=5016#comment-49660 I would agree with Anne that "dull & boring" is subjective. Our church is part of a conservative and traditional denomination. One where the typical worship would by some be considered "dull & boring" At our church do do more modern worship. No organ. No choir. Full band. We worship in what used to be an IMAX theatre so our building looks nothing like a church. But, when I have conversations with people about what they like about our church and why they come back it has little to do with worship style. The top 3 things on their list are usually I feel at home here - I'm accepted as a sinner and offered grace; there is a sense of family and community, & I hear a message that is strong and Biblical. Further down the line will fall music style or the screen. But the message and the relationships are what keep them coming back. After all, there are other churches in town who have "more entertaining" worship with bigger productions. My point? I think we put too much emphasis on worship style. Let's do the style we do well that God may be glorified and make room for multiple styles to reach multiple types of people. I would agree with Anne that “dull & boring” is subjective. Our church is part of a conservative and traditional denomination. One where the typical worship would by some be considered “dull & boring” At our church do do more modern worship. No organ. No choir. Full band. We worship in what used to be an IMAX theatre so our building looks nothing like a church. But, when I have conversations with people about what they like about our church and why they come back it has little to do with worship style. The top 3 things on their list are usually I feel at home here – I’m accepted as a sinner and offered grace; there is a sense of family and community, & I hear a message that is strong and Biblical. Further down the line will fall music style or the screen. But the message and the relationships are what keep them coming back. After all, there are other churches in town who have “more entertaining” worship with bigger productions.

My point? I think we put too much emphasis on worship style. Let’s do the style we do well that God may be glorified and make room for multiple styles to reach multiple types of people.

]]> By: Hal Hunter http://tonymorganlive.com/2010/01/08/is-dull-worship-the-goal/#comment-49590 Hal Hunter Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:49:44 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=5016#comment-49590 If all that is attracting people is the glitz, then Syke is right. However, I think the Holy Spirit uses many and varied methods, channels, and means to draw people to Jesus. While I have my personal preferences about worship style and methods, the only thing that matters in the long run is whether people are hearing and responding to the Gospel. If people leave any worship experience unchanged, something is wrong with the worship experience; something has stifled and interfered with the Holy Spirit. That something could be lights and smoke, or it could be deadly dull people going through the motions. I don't think we have the ability to prevent God from moving. He may choose to use or not use any given church body, and His choice is going to be based on the people involved. If they are sold out to His purpose and listening to His specific call to their church, lives are going to be changed and hell will be denied market share, regardless of their worship style. If all that is attracting people is the glitz, then Syke is right. However, I think the Holy Spirit uses many and varied methods, channels, and means to draw people to Jesus. While I have my personal preferences about worship style and methods, the only thing that matters in the long run is whether people are hearing and responding to the Gospel.

If people leave any worship experience unchanged, something is wrong with the worship experience; something has stifled and interfered with the Holy Spirit. That something could be lights and smoke, or it could be deadly dull people going through the motions.

I don’t think we have the ability to prevent God from moving. He may choose to use or not use any given church body, and His choice is going to be based on the people involved. If they are sold out to His purpose and listening to His specific call to their church, lives are going to be changed and hell will be denied market share, regardless of their worship style.

]]> By: Steve Fogg http://tonymorganlive.com/2010/01/08/is-dull-worship-the-goal/#comment-49553 Steve Fogg Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:23:36 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=5016#comment-49553 Wow! Talk about a conversation starter. Not coming from a churched background I celebrate Tony's (& Tims) books. They speak in a language that I understand. Unlike many Christian Leaders. Thanks Tony (& Tim) for your influence down under in Australia. Our church staff have read your books. Keep writing! I think as long as the message remains the same, the methods can change. We have to get away from "Missional" = all that is good with the church and "Mega" = consumerist church. It can never be that simple. Wow!

Talk about a conversation starter.

Not coming from a churched background I celebrate Tony’s (& Tims) books. They speak in a language that I understand. Unlike many Christian Leaders. Thanks Tony (& Tim) for your influence down under in Australia. Our church staff have read your books. Keep writing!

I think as long as the message remains the same, the methods can change.

We have to get away from “Missional” = all that is good with the church and “Mega” = consumerist church. It can never be that simple.

]]> By: tony morgan http://tonymorganlive.com/2010/01/08/is-dull-worship-the-goal/#comment-49542 tony morgan Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:39:12 +0000 http://tonymorganlive.com/?p=5016#comment-49542 joey, actually, i highly recommend folks buy and read Skye’s book. i think we can learn a lot from people who think differently, don’t you? joey, actually, i highly recommend folks buy and read Skye’s book. i think we can learn a lot from people who think differently, don’t you?

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