Amy Anderson:             00:10                Welcome to the Unstuck Church podcast. I'm Amy Anderson and I'm here with Tony Morgan and each week we share a conversation our team's been having about getting churches unstuck and today we're going to be talking about why your worship leader shouldn't be leading your creative team. Actually, I think we're talking about how to increase creativity in the church, but we thought that was a little catchier title Tony You said for the last several years, is that the church has lost its creative edge. What's been your experience? Tony Morgan:               00:38                It's gotten predictable in other words, has gotten predictable. Like I said, it's gotten predictable. Predictable. Yeah. Uh, so here's the deal. Um, I remember, uh, in fact, I just wrote about it recently. It's been, Gosh, probably now 25 years ago, which now you're starting to get my age because it's time for you. I think it was about 25 years ago. I went to Willow Creek for the very first time and there's a long story behind that, uh, just to, just as a guest, I'd never been to a church like willow creek before. In fact, there weren't many churches like Willow Creek at 25 years ago, but it was the first time that I'd ever experienced a service that didn't have piano or or Oregon leading the music is the first time I'd seen a service with creative elements incorporated into the service itself. Tony Morgan:               01:43                Beyond music. This is the first time I'd ever heard a pastor teach from scripture, but teach it in a relevant way and offer practical next steps. I was, it was

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